The Genesis of Evil -- Monday, October 21, 2013

By Kirby Robinson

Genesis, Demons & Filthy Lucre will be discussed in tonight’s radio podcast.

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Sweet Dreams Are Made of This

Hello everyone hope you have had a fantastic weekend. I pray everyone is healthy and everyone you love is healthy. This week I'd like to discuss how some believer in their opinion that God speaks to us in dreams. It's not just a time where some feel they are open for demonic attack. Call on God next time you feel this way and see what happens. The bible has examples of God speaking to people in dreams and telling us he will speak through dreams. The following a a few examples of that.

And they replied "we both had dreams but no one can tell us what they mean.”
“Interpreting dreams is God’s business,” Joseph replied.
“Go ahead and tell me your dreams"

Genesis 40:8 (NLT) Jacob Dreamed
11 Then the Angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, 'Jacob.' And I said, 'Here I am.'24 But God had come to Laban the Syrian in a dream by night, and said to him, "Be careful that you speak to Jacob neither good nor bad."
Gen 31:11,24 Genesis 2812 Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.

"And the Lord said to them, “Now listen to what I say:
“If there were prophets among you,I, the Lord, would reveal myself in visions. I would speak to them in dreams."
Numbers 12:6 (NLT)

"He speaks in dreams, in visions of the night, when deep sleep falls on people as they lie in their beds."
Job 33:15 (NLT)

"For in many dreams and in many words there is emptiness.
Rather, fear God." "And the LORD answered me, and said,
Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables,
that he may run that readeth  it.  For the vision is yet for an appointed time,
but at the end it shall speak, and not lie:
though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry."
Habakkuk 2:2-3 (KJV)

"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams" Acts 2:17

The facts that you have heard from God does not mean everyone will welcome your dream. People will react differently but most likely not positive at times. Your dream will be opposed just like Joseph’s and Jesus’ and Nehemiah’s or Paul’s. However this should not deter you. If you know your dream is from God, hold on to it, pray it back to God when the storms and wind come storming in. The brothers of Joseph conspired against him. They threw him into the pit sold him into slavery. He ended up in Potiphar’s house as a servant. It was as if his dream bought and brought him trouble.

What I do is keep a pen and paper next to my bed to take notes of any odd dreams so I can remember them because many people, and I am among them tend to forget what they have dreamed the longer they are awake. What took place seems to fade rather quickly upon waking up from these. I'm not sure why that happens. Could be a number of reasons for this but if you write down some notes upon waking that will really up possibly in understanding what exactly took place in the dreams you are having.

Written By Jennifer Auld

Can We Access the Mind of God?

By Reverend Mark Hunnemann

"Fundamentalists in any religion are literalists. ...they're cocky enough to think they believe they have access to the mind of God. " (pg 11,) These words come from a novel I just got from the dollar store (!), "Adam and Eve" by Sena Naslund--hailed as one of the most imaginative and inspired writers of our time, with keen insights into the human condition. Only a few chapters in, and I can tell she is exceptionally gifted, but it is the quote that I want to direct our attention to. As we are in a series on developing a biblical worldview, she raises THE key issue of anyone's worldview--what is our ultimate authority?

Her novels, as a bestselling author, are both reflecting and shaping our culture, as are innumerable other influences. Certainly the line I quoted reflects the ethos of America in 2013 (as opposed to 1913 when God speaking to us was not an issue) Whether we have access to the mind of God or not effects everything--and I mean everything!

At first glace, especially in a society that has swallowed relativism hook, line, and sinker, the claim to have access to the mind of God does sound cocky or arrogant...even dangerous. The fictitious book speaks of two recent finds which will hopefully nullify the madness of religious literalists, who are seen as plunging mankind into a third world war if not stopped--extraterrestrial life and a document which proves that Moses was not the author of Genesis. The hero/heroine believe these two finds will gut the worlds three major religions. I have to fight the urge to follow this bunny trail (very significant bunny trail!), but gotta stay on task. Back to the "madness of accessing God's mind"...

Puny, finite humans know the mind of the Infinite?! That is lunacy....or is it? You see, it is instructive that this same character, a few pages later,  asserts with certainty that "God is ineffable"..which means it is impossible to express what God is like. At least she is consistent with the "no access" assumption--if we have no access to what God is thinking, then we are left with the ash heap of agnosticism. An ineffable God is of no use to anybody...up there swimming in blissful unknowingness and unknowability. Very different from the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!

Let me shift gears and share a text of scripture (which claims to reveal the mind of God!) Speaking to Pilate Jesus said,"For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world--to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to My voice." Pilate said to Him, "What is truth?" (John 18:37-38) As the truth, Jesus fulfills the teaching of the OT (Jn1:17) and reveals the true God (1:14,17;5:33). Jesus states that the reason He was born, was not just to die for our sins (praise God He did!), but also to reveal truth regarding God. That is why we have access to the mind of God--Jesus is God incarnate who revealed God. Truth is not just data... Truth is a Person! The bible, and supremely in Jesus, the mind of God is revealed. For modern men and women, this is an especially astonishing and beautiful fact. An ineffable God--by definition-- cannot be known or enjoyed.

In our discussions (this is key) with folks regarding the truth of Christianity, we need to address precisely this question--do they think it is possible to access the mind of God? Why/why not? You may have to raise to their conscience awareness that which has been unconsciously assumed for years. For us, God and the bible is our source of ultimate truth...what is theirs? (autonomous experience, intuition, observation, and so on). Everybody has an ultimate source, authority, or guide. If they mock the notion of accessing the mind of God, are they aware of the horror of great intellectual darkness that that leads to? And, what is their alternative? This is epistemology--the nature of knowledge-and far too often we argue over the evidence before discussing presuppositions which color how we see the data/evidence--and we end up talking past each other.

One quick proviso: we cannot know the mind of God exhaustively or comprehensively, but we can know His mind accurately or truly. God is infinite and we are finite, but He has made us personal beings like Himself. He could not give us access to His mind by speaking His Trinitarian language (we could not understand it), but there is no reason why He could not speak to us via the medium of our, human language--Hebrew and Greek--translated to English. In other words, God's infinity is not an insuperable barrier (as many folks assert) to meaningful and accurate self-disclosure to His image-bearers. Jesus tells us in the above text that we do have access to the mind of God, and the cockiness lies in the autonomous thinking of those who deny this wondrous fact. In light of God' gracious self-revelation, humility is NOT synonymous with uncertainty regarding the truth in the bible. Psalm 119 (the longest chapter in the bible) is one, long celebration of the fact that we can access the mind of God in the written Word.

However, note Pilate's reply--ironically, he was charged with determining the truth in this matter, but he glibly dismisses the relevance of truth in the very presence of the One who IS TRUTH INCARNATE. (Jn 14:6) Evidently, Pilate assumes that Jesus is merely a babbler of philosophical abstractions. He asks, "What is truth?" but he does not wait for an answer from the only One who could answer that question. It seems that Pilate neither expected nor wanted a reply to his rhetorical question..he spun around and walked away. Pilate gives us a clear picture of how NOT to pursue spiritual truth. That is, he shows that he is not an honest seeker of truth.And if one unthinkingly presupposes that we cannot have access to the mind of God, then that is being intellectually dishonest.

A glib response to attempts of explanation of the truth is very common, and is a guage of how honest one is in their seeking of paranormal/spiritual truth. Being a writer and author I am painfully aware of this dismissive tendency....but what joy when the truth connects, and some say that the truth actually saved their lives!

Prov. 1:7 says that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge...and also wisdom. This is wonderful! "Knowledge" in Hebrew is the idea of an accurate understanding of the nature of the world--seen and unseen. A deep reverence for God, and reliance upon His revealed Word, enables us to see the paranormal through His eyes...thinking His thoughts after Him.. "Wisdom" is knowing how to apply that knowledge in life in a way that is pleasing to God. But both knowledge and wisdom are only possible due to having access to the mind of God. And again, this is the centerpiece of our worldview.


My plea with you is to realize that there are millions of folks who are wandering blind in a paranormal wasteland--they were promised the wonderment of benevolent spirit guides and direct spiritual experience, but instead are under a crushing load of darkness and demonic oppression (or worse).Like heroin, the paranormal is a lie... They NEED for us to really take seriously that we do have access to the mind of God. . Will you follow Jesus or Pilate?

Angel Myths Part 2

By Lisa Grace

Continued from Common Demon and Angel Myths (Part 1)

Myth: All angels have wings.

Angels appear in the Holy Scriptures sometimes as humans, sometimes winged, sometimes clothed in light, etc.

They can be awe inspiring in the case where the prophet Daniel kept fainting in the presence of Gabriel (Dan 8:17, 27) or ordinary which is why the Scriptures warn you may be entertaining angels.

Myth: Angels are immortal.

Angels are creations, just like us. They were created before us and saw the foundations of the universe laid and created for us. (Genesis)

Myth: Angels can be destroyed by humans.

They can't. God has arranged for a time of judgment for them. (1 Cr 6:3)The ones that follow God listen to His commands alone. He guides them. The evil ones (fallen angels, demons, etc) can be commanded to leave, but may not stay permanently away. It depends on the authority (faith) of the believer. As an evil spirit said to one would-be exorcist, "Jesus I know and Paul I know, but who are ye?" (Acts 19:13-16)

For now, they are condemned to roam the Earth. They seek people, places, and things to wait in and/or destroy. (Matt 12:43-45)

Myth: All angels are alike.

There are several types of angels. Seraphim, Cherubim, Nephilim, wheels, etc. The Scriptures indicate some are more powerful than others. Evil ones also differ in strength. They have different duties. Some serve as messengers, some as warriors, some as guardians, etc.

It's important to study the Scriptures as evil angels delight in appearing as angels of light (2 Cr 11:14) and giving deceiving messages. If you do not know what the Scriptures teach, it's easy for you to be deceived.

The Bible, and Worlds vs. Stars

By Lisa Grace

All spellings for the Greek and Hebrew are phonetic, as printing them in the Greek or Hebrew won't add anything for the casual reader.

Many preachers and Christians have a one world view. The Earth was made for humans and it is the only world. Period. End of discussion. Now these same people will admit that the third heaven is occupied by God and the variety of angels mentioned in the Bible that live there.

However, there are some that think the Holy Scriptures state quite clearly there is more than one inhabited planet. (Hebrews 1:2, and Hebrews 11:3) The translators take the Greek word, "aion" and picked the meaning to be "worlds."

Plus, the Greek word, "aster" clearly means stars, so "worlds" should not be confused with "stars."

Earlier, in the Hebrew translation, it's the word "Ko-kav" for stars and "Totav" for world, and "Eretz" for earth.

We know the account of Genesis applies to our universe only. God doesn't go on to tell us when He made the angels, what He was doing before He decided to create earth and our heavens, or the angels, but chooses instead to tell us there are "mysteries."

Because "places" are relative to time, speed, and location it's hard for us to wrap our brains around the fact that there may well be dimensions of being, other universes, that God is involved in, actively.

He was, is, and always will be. This statement alone shows He is the Creator of "all" and "all" is so much more than we can even begin to comprehend.

Part 4 Conclusions Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Plasma, Other Dimensions and how they May Prove The Supernatural

By Lisa Grace

Continued from Part 3

What do flame, lightning, the sun, and space all have in common? They are all made of the most abundant state of matter in this universe, plasma. If certain creations (creatures) are made of light, could it be they are made of plasma?

http://physics.about.com/od/glossary/g/plasma.htm

Could supernatural beings (angels, demons, principalities, dominions) be made of dark energy, dark matter, plasma, or live in a different dimension? They all are possible, and none contradict what the Holy Scriptures say. There is proof for any or all of these suppositions to be correct. Since we are dealing with more than one type of creature, each could exist in a different state and/or dimension.

Ÿ  We know God and his supernatural creations exist outside of time. (Genesis, Hebrews)

Ÿ  We know his supernatural creatures were created first (according to the Bible they were present at the creation of the universe) (Genesis)

Ÿ  We know they exist outside our universe (since they were in existence before it was created.)

Ÿ  We know this means they have other natural rules they follow that supersede our natural known laws that "trap" us within our universe.

Ÿ  Trying to measure supernatural creatures by our laws of physics and nature will only lead to an incomplete view of them, since we are clearly told in the Holy Scripture they are not of this realm, and neither are believers. (We will be freed, when we are resurrected or caught up.) (Job 19:26, 2Cr 12:2, 2Cr 12;4,1TH 4:17, Rev 12:5)

Our God is an awesome God who has made this universe for us to explore and understand, yet everything points perfectly back to our Creator.